The Indians removed three players from their 40-man roster late Saturday night, as they non-tendered right-handed pitchers Anthony Reyes and Jose Veras and also removed right-handed pitcher Adam Miller from the 40-man roster.
In less than 24 hours, Reyes and Miller were back in the organization as they were resigned to minor league deals on Sunday. Veras is still a free agent to sign with any team and at this time is not expected to be back with the Indians.
The removal of all three players should not come as a shock. All three were considered as the most likely roster casualties sometime this offseason when predicting who the Indians may remove to create roster space for either Rule 5 eligible players to be protected or to add an offseason acquisition via free agency or trade.
But while the moves themselves don’t come as a shock, the timing of them is certainly interesting. The moves have been unsettling for some fans as they try to understand the timing of the moves and who they decided to keep rostered and not roster. It doesn’t help when the three removals from the 40-man roster come on the heels of the Indians losing left-hander Chuck Lofgren in the Rule 5 Draft just two days earlier. As a result, the natural reaction is to question why the Indians would wait to remove these players from the roster now and instead not just remove them a month ago when they could have protected an asset like Lofgren and not expose him to the Rule 5 Draft.
However, had the Indians even removed the three players back before the November 20th roster deadline they likely would not have rostered any additional players. When reached for comment on Friday after losing Lofgren in the Rule 5 Draft (before the three players were removed), Indians Director of Player Development Ross Atkins said they were sad to lose him though made it clear the decision to not roster him was simply because they decided to go with other options instead.
"Obviously we would love to still have him here in the minor leagues for us," said Atkins on Friday about Lofgren. "We just felt like we had better options to help our major league team this year and moving forward. But we think a lot of Chuck Lofgren and certainly want the best for him and will be pulling for him as an individual."
With all the minor league depth and talent the Indians have had in their farm system the past half decade, they have done a pretty good job of identifying who to protect and who not to protect in preparation for the Rule 5 Draft. Their farm system has consistently been ranked in the upper third of all of baseball during Mark Shapiro’s tenure as General Manager which began in 2002, but with all that talent they have only lost a handful of players in the Major League phase of the Rule 5 Draft since 2002 (most of these players were returned): Lofgren (2009), Matt Whitney (2007), Brian Barton (2007), Ryan Goleski (2006), Jim Ed Warden (2006), Matt White (2003), Hector Luna (2003), Willy Taveras (2003), Luis Gonzalez (2003), Lino Urdaneta (2003), Hector Luna (2002), Derek Thompson (2002), Marshall McDougall (2002), and Matt White (2002).
Preparation on who to protect and who not to protect from the Rule 5 Draft typically starts with casual conversation about Rule 5 eligibles over the course of the season between scouts and executives of teams to gauge interest. Obviously, you can't protect everyone and the Indians have certainly made a few mistakes along the way. In the end it is not always about protecting every possible Rule 5 eligible minor league player on the 40-man roster, but putting together the best 40-man roster that helps for the upcoming season and future seasons. Yes, every player is an asset, but sometimes you have to pick the best five to six assets out of a group of eight to ten players and roll the dice the other players are not picked.
The Indians only lost one player in this year’s Major League phase of the Rule 5 Draft. While Lofgren was lost, their decision to not roster the likes of Steven Wright, Matt McBride, Yohan Pino, Josh Tomlin, Neil Wagner, Josh Rodriguez, Frank Herrmann, and others proved to be the correct one. Besides, while Lofgren was lost, he more than likely will be returned unless a trade is worked out (this may happen). That's not a knock on Lofgren as he has the ability and mindset to accomplish anything, but this is based purely on the odds of the situation with regard to Rule 5 selections.
Bottom line, whether or not the Indians removed Veras and Reyes back in November or now, it would not have made much difference on who was or was not rostered. It is hard to believe the Indians decided at the last minute to non-tender Veras and Reyes, as non-tendering them was likely in the plans as far back as November 20th when their 40-man roster was set. They were probably viewed more as roster placeholders to remove when/if they needed a roster spot for an acquisition via free agency or trade.
Had they removed all three players a few weeks back on November 20th and added three prospects like Lofgren, Wright, and McBride, they would have had very little wiggle room with the 40-man roster the rest of the offseason. If you are going to have a full 40-man roster you need a little fat that can easily be trimmed when you need to create space for an acquisition. Removing Miller, Reyes and Veras and then filling their roster spots with three additional prospects on top of the five they were already adding as well as the half dozen or so they added during the season would mean they would have to remove someone they would not want to remove when they need to add a player they pick up in a trade or free agency this offseason.
Miller’s situation looks like something that did in fact change at the last minute. With the announcement this past week of his recent setback in his rehab from finger surgery, it looks like the plans were set in motion recently to remove him from the roster. Had he been on schedule and not experienced any setbacks he probably would have remained on the 40-man roster.
Another thing to note is while Miller may never pitch again, had they released him from the roster and resigned him he would have been Rule 5 eligible and could have been taken by another team and stashed on their 60-day disabled list all season. He would still have to be active on a big league roster at some point, but that is something a team would deal with when the time came as with his talent and ability, even as damaged goods someone may have taken a shot and selected him. By removing him from the roster after the Rule 5 Draft it ensured that he would remain their property, and with how quickly he re-signed it looks like this was something planned for awhile and they had already talked to him about.
In the end, by keeping all three players on the 40-man roster right up until the non-tender deadline it kept these players from being exposed to the Rule 5 Draft to protect players who in hindsight we now know did not need to be protected. It is a decision that I may not have been on board with if you told me a few weeks ago about it, but it is hard to argue with the results.
5 comments:
Tony ~
Thanks for the background on the Indians' decisions on the Rule 5 eligibles and Non-tenders. I agree they handled Miller properly, and Veras was a non-issue. I still am in the camp that not rostering Lofgren was a mistake, but hopefully he will be returned to the organization later.
On another note, any clear word on the PTBN from the Shoppach trade?
BTW, best wishes to you and your family for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year.
Looking forward to the 2010 issue of 100 Top Prospects...put me down for 2 copies again.
Thanks....and another thing to consider which I did not mention in the piece is the Indians were negotiating with Reyes and Veras right up to the non-tender deadline. There was some interest to bring them back, but no price was agreed upon so they were non-tendered. Obviously once Reyes was nontendered his leverage went out the window and he quickly resigned (though I still think there was some sort of agreement in place before non=tendering him).
Prospect books will probably be available in late January or early February. I am a bit behind this year because I have been so busy covering the offseason happenings. But the prospect countdown will start next month on the site! I'll have more book details right after the New Year.
Tony,
Do you think that the tribe could be freeing up roster space because they have a deal in the works with players they will have to roster. Also, they could be ready to sign a free agent they have to roster, or maybe the PTBNL in the shoppach deal.What do you think?
I think the Indians are prepared to add PTNL as #38 on the 40. If Ambriz sticks he is #39 and we will likely sign a utility IF for 40. Still have flexibility since either Marte or Gimenez seems likely to be cut or DFA by end of ST.
Well John, we are just hours away from the announcement of the PTBNL. But I am not so sure these roster moves were to clear space for any impending FA or for the PTBNL. From what I am hearing, there is a small window between the Rule 5 Draft and the non-tender date where players taken off the 40-man are not subject to waivers. I have not verified this as true, but if so, then this likely explains the timing of the moves. I know a front office exec hinted to me back in Sept that there is a "small window" in the offseason where they can remove questionable guys with little risk.
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