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Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Indians 40-man Review: Who Do They Add?

Chuck LofgrenOn Friday we took a deeper look at some of the players on the proverbial roster bubble and whether or not they may be removed from the roster before the November 20th roster deadline coming at the end of this week.  Today, it's time to look at the many players in the organization who will be considered to be added to the roster and who is likely to be rostered.

For a complete listing of Cleveland Indians minor league players who are up for roster protection go here.  From this listing, we can pare it down to a group of about 20 players who should have varying levels of consideration for roster protection or who if not protected may have some interest to other teams in the Rule 5 Draft.

When considering who may be rostered, there are a few things to note with how the Indians handle the management of their 40-man roster and the decisions they make on who and who not to roster.

First off, it is rare for a player below the Double-A level to be protected, especially below the High-A level.  The main reason for this is when you protect a player their option clock immediately starts ticking.  Once added to the 40-man, a player gets three option years where the team can send the player to the minor leagues as many times as they want within a season for a maximum of three years.
While three years may seem like a long time, in the player development world the clock can expire quickly.  For a player who still has two to three development years left end up using all those option years to finish off their development which puts the team in a bind with handling them if they struggle when they finally get to the big leagues because they are out of options.

Teams generally don't like to waste "options" on a player to continue to develop them.  They want those players for the most part to be able to contribute right away.  In most cases the ideal scenario is to use the first option year as the last complete season to develop them at the minor league level, then in their final two option years be big league capable players that can be used and sent up and down as needed.  As a result, with only three option years before a player must remain in the big leagues or be removed from the roster, the focus is usually on the Double-A and Triple-A players with a small sprinkling of players in High-A.

Last year the Indians did roster two players who spent the entire year at High-A in Hector Rondon and Carlos Santana.  Those two players were the exception as they are two of the better prospects in the game, have a much quicker track to the big leagues, and most importantly have proven to be healthy.  The Indians are usually pretty hesitant to protect players in Kinston, though as demonstrated last year they have done it before and will do it again.

Now, with the general philosophy known, the tougher question to answer is how many spots the Indians may leave open to allow space to add a player they pick up later in the offseason.  Last year the Indians left the roster at 39 players at the roster deadline, choosing to leave a spot open for the addition of Kerry Wood a few weeks later.  Something like this could happen again as they are expected to be in the hunt for a veteran utility player or starter or perhaps both; however, the Indians are expected to be late players in free agency if at all.

Since any action may not occur until January the need to leave a roster spot open is not as important unless they plan to sign someone right away, a trade is imminent, or they have plans to add someone in the Rule 5 Draft.  Considering their situation, it does not seem like any free agent signing or trade will happen anytime soon, so if they leave a roster spot or two open it would appear that they may very well consider taking someone in the Rule 5 Draft.

The assumption at the moment is they will fill all the available roster spots, and with 33 players on the roster they will add seven players to fill the 40-man roster.  I have broken up the 20 players that are most likely to be added into four groups below: Locks (certain or near certain to be added), Probables (very likely to be added), Questionables (50/50 shot), Doubtfuls (not likely but should be considered).

Locks (100%):
Jordan Brown - First baseman/Outfielder
Jason Donald - Middle infielder
Jeanmar Gomez - Right-handed starting pitcher
Nick Weglarz - Outfielder

This group is pretty much a no brainer, and through sources connected with the team all but one of these players has been more or less confirmed that they will be added to the roster.

Some fans may still believe the Indians do not value Jordan Brown and won't roster him simply because they did not call him up in September; however, not calling up a player in September has almost no bearing on whether that player is added to the 40-man roster in November.  If you rewind back to the end of 2008 they did not call up Jeff Stevens, David Huff or Chris Gimenez in September, but rostered them two months later in November.  The Indians love Brown's bat and think it is major league caliber and ready, and that is the key.  They ultimately want to protect what they think are major league players, and they believe Brown is a major league player and he is about ready to put that belief to the test this upcoming season.  He has some issues defensively that they hope can still be ironed out, but Brown is at least a good depth option either at first base or left field that they do not want to lose.

Donald was one of the four players the Indians received in return for left-handed pitcher Cliff Lee back in July.  He would have been added to the roster this past September to get a look at him in a super utility role, but a back injury that had sidelined him since mid-August nixed those plans and he never played again the rest of the season.  It has been a slow process coming back from the back injury, but the Indians are hopeful they can send him down to Venezuela soon to play winter ball the second half of the season there.  Since acquiring him, they have barely had a chance to get a good look at him and his development path has been fractured at times in the minors because of various injuries.  When healthy they think he is an everyday player, though they prefer to introduce him to the big leagues as a part-time player first.  The ideal scenario they hope to have happen is he and Luis Valbuena form a platoon at some point next year at second base.  Donald is not expected to make the opening day roster and instead they want him to play everyday in Columbus to get his feet wet before calling him up to Cleveland at some point next year.

Gomez mostly pitched at Double-A Akron this year and was named the Eastern League Pitcher of the Year.  He had a breakthrough season, and while he is still a year away from getting a chance at the big league level and should pitch almost all of the 2010 season at Triple-A Columbus, he has value right now as a depth big league starter and has potential as a middle of the rotation big league starter.  The Indians need pitching, and even though Gomez is not expected to be a high level starter he still has a lot of value as a middle-to-backend of the rotation starter.

Weglarz has battled a leg injury since the end of June, but recently had surgery to put a rod in his leg to help correct the issue.  The injury and surgery are not expected to affect his roster standing as he is expected to be 100% and ready to go once big league camp opens at the end of February.  His power bat and advanced approach at the plate are too valuable to not protect.  He could split most of the season at Akron and Columbus next year to finish him off to where he is big league ready for the start of 2011, but if he is healthy and performs well next year he has a chance to get to the big leagues late in the season.

Probables (75%):
Matt McBride - Catcher/First Baseman/Outfielder
Chuck Lofgren - Left-handed starting pitcher
Yohan Pino - Right-handed starting pitcher
Josh Tomlin - Right-handed starting pitcher

Things get a little more cloudy here as without knowing exactly how many players the Indians will roster, all of these players in this group or only half could be rostered.  There are certainly some talented players in this group, but the key is who has the most major league value and who fills a potential need.

The Indians value McBride and certainly do not want to lose him, and knowing this I am fairly certain he will be rostered.  I initially would have listed him as questionable, but after the season he is having in the AFL there is probably no way the Indians can leave him exposed.  He has proven to be versatile as his ability to play catcher, first base, and outfield as well as good power in his right-handed bat could be very attractive to really any team.  That versatility and power bat could fit on a major league roster all year next season as a Rule 5 Draft pick as a backup or third catcher with the ability to be a power right-handed bat off the bench who can also play first base and in the corner outfield.

McBride had a great six week start in Kinston this year and then a solid year in Akron, but where he has made the most noise is in the Arizona Fall League (AFL).  Even though he has played just 19 games in the AFL he has shown outstanding plate discipline (17:9 BB/K, .506 OBP) and power (.662 SLG), which have helped inflate his stock a ton.  Some may say it is inconceivable that the Indians could have six catchers on their 40-man roster if McBride is rostered to go along with Kelly Shoppach, Lou Marson, Carlos Santana, Wyatt Toregas, and Chris Gimenez, but keep in mind that Gimenez and McBride at this point would be more utility guys who also happen to catch.

From the looks of it, the final roster decision will come down to choosing between three pitchers in Chuck Lofgren, Yohan Pino, and Josh Tomlin.  All three are talented pitchers, but roster management is often a numbers game as it is in this case.  At least one of these pitchers should be rostered, and maybe even two.  If they only roster one or two of these pitchers the Indians will have to roll the dice that all they pass through the Rule 5 Draft undrafted , which at this point is hard to predict.

Lofgren had a very good bounce back season where he dominated in a return trip to Akron the first two months (8 starts, 1.48 ERA), but was inconsistent at Columbus (17 starts, 5.31 ERA).  Tomlin was an anchor in the starting rotation for Akron all last season and a proven innings eater (14-9, 26 starts, 4.19 ERA), and to go along with his versatility he may be the biggest gamble the Indians take in exposing a player to the Rule 5 Draft.

Pino is the one who kind of threw a monkey wrench into things for the likes of Chuck Lofgren and Josh Tomlin in being rostered when the Indians acquired him from the Twins in late August as part of the Carl Pavano trade.  He could end up a serviceable big league pitcher either as a starter or reliever, and is ready to contribute at the big league level.  That versatility to go along with the fact he has performed well at the Triple-A level and the Indians may not want to lose someone they just picked up makes me believe if any of Pino, Lofgren or Tomlin are rostered, it will be Pino.  If a second is rostered, I will predict Lofgren.

Questionables (50%):
Kelvin De La Cruz - Left-handed starting pitcher
Wes Hodges - Third baseman
Carlos Rivero - Shortstop
Josh Rodriguez - Middle infielder

With Brown, Donald, Gomez, McBride and Weglarz predicted as 40-man roster additions, as well as Pino being added over Lofgren and Tomlin, this leaves at most only one spot left to add a player.  This is where things get tricky, and a deeper look into things is needed in trying to determine who the final addition may be.

First off, Rodriguez and De La Cruz have almost no shot to be rostered as both missed a lot of time this past season due to injuries.  Rodriguez missed over 100 games because of a hamstring issue and De La Cruz missed almost the entire season because of an injured elbow.  De La Cruz's health concerns, a lack of experience with just 11 starts above Low-A, and a much longer recovery and development path make him an extreme long shot to be added.

I could be completely wrong on this, but that's the vibe I am getting from sources.  De La Cruz is certainly a talent, but he is so far from being major league ready at this point the Indians are likely to pass and he is unlikely to be lost in the Rule 5 Draft.  Even if he were to be drafted, there is almost no chance he sticks on a major league roster all year.  Rodriguez would surely create some interest because of his versatility to play third base, shortstop and second base to go along with a good power/speed combo, but the Indians are likely to take the gamble he will not be picked or will not stick on a big league roster.  He definitely could be a Rule 5 casualty.

The way things are shaping up, it really looks like if there is a battle for the final roster spot that it will come down to making a decision on rostering Wes Hodges or Carlos Rivero.  This is much like the case last year when the last spot came down to Jordan Brown and Chris Gimenez.  There is certainly a lot to like with both Hodges and Rivero, and there definitely are some concerns with both players.  Hodges is more major league ready and has the better bat, but Rivero has the much better glove while he is still growing with the bat.  Rivero has played shortstop and the Indians still consider him a shortstop, but somewhere down the road it looks like he will move to third base.

Hodges looked like a sure thing to be rostered when the 2009 season started based on his performance at Kinston in 2007 and Akron in 2008, but injuries derailed him all season and now it has put his roster status somewhat in question.  At this point Hodges has shown he may be a little more major league ready and a team could be interested in picking him up in the Rule 5 Draft and implanting him at third base if left unprotected.  On the flipside, Rivero is viewed as having big league potential though is still an unknown and is a few years away from the big leagues.  If either one of these players is left unrostered, they will get consideration as a Rule 5 Draft pick.

Bottom line though, of the two players it appears Rivero is more likely to be rostered.  Hodges is in almost the exact same situation Jordan Brown was in last year after a disappointing season in Triple-A to go along with questionable health and not being very good defensively.  So, if the Indians only roster one of the Lofgren-Pino-Tomlin combo or they roster an eighth player, Rivero looks to be the guy.

Doubtfuls (25%):
Jose Constanza - Outfielder
Ryan Edell - Left-handed pitcher
Paolo Espino - Right-handed pitcher
Jerad Head - Infielder/Outfielder
Stephen Head - First baseman/outfielder
Frank Herrmann - Right-handed relief pitcher
Carlton Smith - Right-handed relief pitcher
Erik Stiller - Right-handed relief pitcher
Neil Wagner - Right-handed relief pitcher
Steven Wright - Right-handed reliever

These are the rest of the roster eligible players likely to get at least some consideration for roster protection or get a look from other teams for selection in the Rule 5 Draft.

The common theme in this listing is right-handed relief pitching.  All of these pitchers were in the Akron and Columbus bullpen last season and had very good years.  The problem here is that aside from Wagner's plus fastball, no one has a truly dominant plus pitch and have limited high upside ability.  All should certainly get a shot at a big league job at some point down the road, but their value right now to the Indians is their strength in numbers.  With so many options here and all of them alike in so many ways, the Indians can afford to gamble on losing one or two of these pitchers in the Rule 5 Draft.  It seems they are inclined to roll the dice on all of these pitchers and see who remains when the dust settles.

The position players in this grouping are all about versatility.  Stephen Head can play first base and any corner outfield position very well and provides pop from the left side of the plate, but he is a huge question mark health-wise.  Jerad Head is an interesting player to keep an eye on as he seems to really be growing into a super utility kind of role in the minors, and if he keeps progressing could be a bench option for the Indians as soon as the middle of this upcoming season.  Of this grouping, Constanza would seem to be the biggest gamble to not roster as he could be gobbled up by another organization because he has the versatility to play anywhere in the outfield with center field his best position, has very good speed, makes good contact, has shown improved plate discipline, and does all the little things well.

Final Prediction

Seven players are added: Jordan Brown, Jason Donald, Jeanmar Gomez, Chuck Lofgren, Matt McBride, Yohan Pino, and Nick Weglarz.  If an eighth is rostered, it is Carlos Rivero, and if only six are rostered then Lofgren is not.

13 comments:

I would think that Hodges would be higher up on the list,since he plays a position that doesn't have a set future starter at the big league level. I would guess that Peralta will get traded at some point during this season, which leaves them with Marte and Hodges. Also I would hope that if McBride is added, Gimenez is removed. McBride is basically a better version of Gimenez, and they certainly don't need both of those players.

I initially had Hodges on as a protect and Lofgren off. But after thinking about it longer, I liken Hodges current situation to exactly the same situation Jordan Brown was in last year when he went unrostered and unselected in the Rule 5 Draft. Like Brown, Hodges had a miserable first year in Triple-A, has health concerns, and is a below average to average defender at best. The Indians may believe they can sneak him through the draft because of that like with Brown last year.

I don't see Peralta going anywhere anytime soon. He's the placeholder for Chisenhall in 2012 if you ask me.

As for Gimenez, it is my feeling they have removed all the players they are going to remove prior to the November 20th deadline....so GImenez stays on for now and remains on unless they need a roster spot later in the offseason.

Maybe, it IS questionable whether anyone would take Hodges ... The difference I would see is that if Brown were taken last year, it would have had no effect on the major league team, because they didn't need a 1b/LF, they had a lot of depth at both positions, and as a lefty Brown was/is useless as a backup outfielder anyway... I'd be shocked if they have any thoughts of picking up Peralta's 2011 option, even if they had the money it's too expensive, they could sign a better player in 2011 for the same or less, so I figure at minimum he's dealt mid-season 2010, unless either by some miracle they're competing, or if Peralta's hitting .240, in which case it would be nice to give Hodges a shot if Marte fails ... Shouldn't they actually have AT LEAST 8 spots available? They certainly aren't going to hold onto Shoppach, right? Personally I'd drop Gimenez and Reyes too, which would give them 10 spots, I'd rather have pretty much any of those young relievers than Reyes ... then I'd go with your 8 locks and probables, plus Hodges and either Wright or Edell

There's no market for Peralta, Seth. And it would be stupid for the Tribe to trade him in the middle of '10 with no replacement. I don't feel Hodges is ready for the show yet, so essentially, you'd have a big void. Hodges can pass through the draft and needs to bring it in C-Bus this year. Like Tony said, I believe Peralta is the placeholder for Chisenhall until '12.

I agree there's no market for Peralta now, but if he puts up decent numbers next year there will be in July. They still might be able to move him now, they'd get nothing in return, but someone like the Red Sox might give him a shot based on his past success, and it would save $4.6 million ... it's a contract year for Jhonny, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn back the clock to '05 in 2010. The 2011 option is $7 million, so either he plays to his potential next year (OPS over .800), in which case he's traded for a prospect in July, or he hits like he did last year, in which case no one in their right mind would exercise that option. I would do my best to trade him now, just to save the money, and go with Marte as the opening day 3b, but with Hodges as a potential fill-in later in the year of Marte struggles mightily. That way, if you're geared towards competing in 2011, you have the potential of either Marte or Hodges having a breakthrough year this year and being pegged as the 3b of the future, or if both of those guys fail and Chisenhall is still a year away, then with the money you saved by not paying Peralta (11.6 million, counting the option), you sign a decent free agent to a one-year deal before the 2011 season ... hanging onto Peralta and losing Hodges to the Rule 5 is more expensive and limits the options for the future

I don't see the situation with the major league team with Brown last year much different than Hodges this year. Last year the Indians had Ryan Garko at 1B, this year the Indians have Jhonny Peralta at 3B. If anything they are stronger at 3B than 1B last year, especially with some good 3B prospects on the rise.

Hodges could very well get selected...the question though is if the bat at this point is strong enough to carry what many think is average at best defense at 3B. Plus he has no versatility, and there are some health concerns. The Indians very well may roster him instead of one of the pitchers, but I'd rather at this point roster the pitching and gamble on the bats like Hodges/Rivero that they go undrafted or if they are that they don't stick.

Also, bear in mind, this is all based on the premise from the first part of the article from Friday that no other players will be removed by this Friday and that only seven spots are available to add players.

Last, on Peralta, I just don't get a vibe that they want to deal Peralta. Part of what Acta brings is he may be better able to connect with Peralta, so they may want to see how that goes. Also, $7M for a guy who does what he does is pretty cheap by baseball standards, and considering that Westbrook and Wood's salaries come off the book after next year I don't see anything that would keep them from picking up his $7M 2011 option unless he flat out sucks next year.

Question about rostering guys in Low A....

Isn't there some exception where a player rostered can get a 4th option year if they spend enough time in Low A while being on the 40-man roster?

I thought this is what happened with Zach Jackson this year?

There is no exception for a 4th option year for a guy rostered at Low-A or below. The 4th option year exception is based on injury or those who sign major league contracts when drafted/signed as amateurs. For more go here:

http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2008/11/4th-option-year.html

Good article Tony ... I agree with most of it ... maybe with a few exceptions like moving Wright up and bringing Tomlin down a bit. But, that's nit picking ...

I see the decision like Tony as pitching versus infield. More I think about it, Hodges won't get on unless Brown is traded.

At 3B, he is blocked by JP, Marte and Chisenhall. I also see Rivero in the mix as he played there in AFL (possibly for this reason).

At 1B,he is blocked by LaPorta, Brown, Marte and hopefully Mills when he starts hitting (and Weglarz may be switched if OF stays crowded).

If he does get on it mean Giminez or Shoppach were traded or dropped.

As for pitching, I didn't like the Pino trade for this 40 man reason. What does he add over a Wright or Hermann? Not much ... haven't heard a comparison. Rather have had any single A prospect (didn't have to be stellar just someone like Stevens who could be groomed into something).

I can see Lofgren a bit more than others just for the lefty issue - more for NL who like more specialty guys. But, in reality, where do Wright, Hermann, Pino, Lofgrem, Tomlin, ... fight into our long-term plans?

Starters -
2010 shot - Lewis, Rondon and Carrasco
2011 shot - Gomez, Berger and Rondon again
2012 shot - De La Cruz, Perez, House, White, ...

Relievers - Todd, Judy, Putnam, Masterson (when he gets bumped from stater rotation), Graham, Hagadone, ....

We have enough talent coming up ... we may just gamble on Pestano, Wright, Pino, Lofgren, Edell, Tomlin thinking if one or two are taken, we still have a surplus for that 6th and 7th guy in the pen. May protect Lofgren being the best bet at lefty specialist if Perez doesn't come back and Sipp goes to the setup of Perez.

Last year they opened with Garko, Victor, and Aubrey all ahead of Jordan Brown at 1b, with Beau Mills down at AA after a good A-ball performance. I would've said that 1B was easily their deepest position. That's not the case now, but at the beginning of 2009 I'd say it was ... Obviously the Indians do seem inclined to keep Peralta, I just think it's a mistake. His offensive numbers are good for SS, but bad for 3b, in '09 he was 19th out of 20 qualifiers at 3b in terms of OPS, and his career number .756 would've only put him at 13th, and his fielding % was near the bottom as well ... that's not worth $7 million, Teahan is that good and he only made $3.5. If you project Marte's numbers from last year, which were none too fantastic, given as many ABs as Peralta he still hits 20 HRs with 83 RBIs, about Peralta's career average ... why pay Peralta, when Marte, or Hodges, could very well produce the same offensive numbers? And Marte is likely a better defensive 3b than Peralta, Hodges may not be too much worse.

I just think when it comes down to the final spot or two, you always should side more with pitching. Only Hodges/Rivero should get any consideration, and to me there are too many question marks with them at the moment where the odds are they are more likely to slip through undrafted whereas a Lofgren/Tomlin won't. I like Wright, but again he falls into the grouping of the other guys in Herrmann, Stiller, Smith, Wagner, Edell etc where they are all solid relief prospects, but in the end they are much more worth the gamble to lose than a starting pitcher like Lofgren/Pino/Tomlin. And don't see Pino short, he is the best pitcher of the eligibles aside from Gomez.

Tony,

Is it a requirement that a player has been injured to receive the 4th option year? Or is it just that he cannot have 5 full pro seasons? If the latter, than a player on any short season team (though not necessarily just ANY Low-A team)would potentially get a 4th option if added to the 40 man, since the short season won't count as a full pro season. But of course, it still doesn't make sense to roster a player that far away from being a contributor at the ML level. And, any player still at that level by the time he requires roster protection isn't really a prospect at all.

Bay, the 4th option year applies due to injury or if the player has played less than five professional seasons and all three options are used up. The only time the 4th option year applies for guys with less than five pro seasons is almost always in the case when a player signs a pro contract out of the draft like Guthrie did in 2002. Upon signing, he immediately used up his option years as he was optioned out in 2003, 2004 and 2005. In 2006 (his final year with the Indians) he was given the 4th option year exception because he had less than five pro seasons.

The 4th option year can also apply if a player does not sign a pro contract right out of the gates, but somehow makes it to the big leagues in his second full professional season. For example purposes only, say Lonnie Chisenhall who was drafted and signed in 2008 makes the big league team sometime in 2010, but is optioned back and forth the next three years (2010, 2011, 2012). The Indians would be given a 4th option year to use in 2013 because all three options are gone and he has less than five years of pro experience. His first year in 2008 doesn't count because it was short season, so his four pro seasons would be 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012.

I believe the 4th option year mostly comes into play though when guys on the 40-man have season long injuries. Like with the case of Sipp and Aubrey recently, and what the Indians will ultimately get with Miller if he ever comes back.

So to answer your question, yes, if the Indians went out and rostered a guy from short-season league this year right now, say Jason Kipnis, he would get a 4th option year. Heck, if they rostered Lonnie Chisenhall, Cord Phelps, Tim Fedroff, Eric Berger, etc from the 2008 Draft right now they would get a 4th option year. But, you would never do this because why roster these players when you don't have to? It really only applies to the guys who sign minor league contracts and who shoot up through the system within a year and half and make the bigs.

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