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Friday, November 6, 2009

Quick Thoughts On Belcher

Without any comments from Mark Shapiro or Manny Acta yet on the hiring of Tim Belcher as the Major League Pitching Coach, here are some quick thoughts on the hiring off the top of my head:
  • When assessing the pitching coach possibilities, I think it was a foregone conclusion that that job was going to be filled from within. As a result, a lot of the focus was on Triple-A Columbus pitching coach Scott Radinsky and minor league pitching coordinator Dave Miller as the top candidates to fill the job. In hindsight this was very narrow thinking, and I like many others in the media completely forgot about Tim Belcher and Jason Bere and their roles as special assistants to the Indians Baseball Operations Department.

  • Like Radinsky and Miller, Belcher fit the mold of someone who was very familiar with all the young talent up and down the Indians system having observed and also worked with them all many times over his eight years in the organization. He was a teacher and helped facilitate the development of the young players like Radinsky and Miller, but what set Belcher apart from Radinsky and Miller is his experience working in the big league environment. Having done a lot of advanced scouting and player evaluation at the big league level recently he was probably more in touch with the demands at that level.
     
  • Bere and Belcher shared a lot of the same duties as special assistants to baseball operations, with Bere a little more ingrained with the minor league guys and development whereas Belcher was used a little more in player decisions at the minor/major league level and also evaluation of players in the minors/majors inside and outside the organization.
     
  • From what I understand a lot of times Belcher was GM Mark Shapiro’s “eyes” in evaluating and observing the pitching in the system, particularly in the upper levels of the system at Double-A Akron and Triple-A Columbus.
     
  • It looks like with this move that Miller likely remains as the minor league pitching coordinator, but it is still unclear where Radinsky will fit. There is a possibility he could be a bullpen coach, or very well return to Columbus and assume his pitching coach duties again. There is also the possibility that Radinsky could leave the organization for a big league job or minor league coaching job elsewhere.
     
  • The hiring of Belcher may bring to light who they may be looking at as their hitting coach. I still believe they will go outside the organization and fill the role, but if they do happen to fill the role from within it seems very possible that Ellis Burks could be named to the position. Like Belcher, Burks was a special assistant to the Baseball Operations Department and had the same responsibilities as he assisted in the facilitation of instruction and development at the major league and minor league level. Just like Belcher, Burks assisted Shapiro in player decisions and his primary duty was to evaluate position players, particularly the outfielders. If he does not end up the hitting coach, he could still end up on Acta’s staff as an outfield coach.
     
  • In the end I like many Indians fans was surprised by the announcement this morning that Belcher was named the big league pitching coach. But while I was surprised, I was not shocked as given a few minutes to take it in the hiring certainly makes a lot of sense.  He brings with him a lot of success and experience as a big league pitcher, and more importantly he also has experience with instruction, evaluation, and developing young talent.  I still may have preferred Radinsky, but I understand that they probably wanted a guy with more experience recently working at the big league level.

9 comments:

I don't know a whole lot about Mr. Belcher, but this choice kind of leaves me saying "whoop di doo". Perhaps with time I will be very happy with this choice, but for right now, I'm just kind of meh, for this.

Belcher was a pitcher that always had a ton of success even without dynamite stuff. He just knew how to pitch.

My dad has met Belcher on a few occasions (mostly when he was pitching with Kansas City) and he was just one of the guys while hanging out. Sounds like a guy that can relate to the players and the fan base.

I think we'll really grow to like him.

It remains to be seen if this was the right hire. Was he the best hire at the time, without knowing all the names it is hard to determine, but I do certainly believe he is more than qualified to be a big league pitching coach. He has experience in the role at various times at many different levels of the system, has been an instructor/teacher for awhile now, and probably most importantly knows this organization inside and out, up and down.

I wouldn't expect much excitement over any coaching hires. Most people don't even know who these guys are or even give a second thought to who they are until announced for a big league job or rumored to be in the mix for one. This goes beyond the Indians and applies really to every team in MLB as any coaching hire save for maybe a half dozen fall into the "meh" category mostly because we simply don't know much about them. The rest of Acta's staff surely will not create much excitement as it will involve a lot of people generally unknown, save for Ellis Burks if he were named to a post (but that's simply because people can relate to him as a player having seen him here....while knowing nothing about his coaching background).

The biggest strike against Belcher in my opinion is that I read his wikipedia page and found out that he's not and never has been the singer in a punk rock band. I'm not sure if that qualifies you to be a pitching coach, but it qualifies you to be cool, and the Indians have been entirely lacking in cool since Manny Ramirez left. For that reason alone I would've preferred Radinsky ... perhaps they could make up for it by bringing in Albert Belle as hitting coach, because whether he was whipping a baseball into the stands at a heckler, sending Grimsley crawling through the ceiling to replace his corked bat, chasing trick or treaters, pointing at his bicep after a home run, Albert was 100% cool

Well after reading the reactions on Cleveland.com I'm convinced this is the greatest hire ever.


Tony, I'm not normally one that still wishes that the 90's never ended and I do not believe Omar will ever be a good coach, but did you ever hear anything regarding the rumor about Sandy Alomar possibly being on the outs with the Mets and the Indians having interest in some role?

Thanks
-Clay

Seth, you may still get your wish for Rad. Bullpen coach or bust!

Clay, in regard to Sandy, I am not hearing anything. Where there is smoke there may be fire, but I am not getting that vibe on the Sandy thing. I would certainly be interested in him, but I am not feeling it from the org. I could be wrong though...I mean, I completely missed the boat on Belcher and I am still kicking myself for missing that one.

Gotcha Tony, thanks!

Hoynes really came out of nowhere with that rumor, even used ESPN as his source, but I've yet to see anyone else anywhere pick up on it or see it myself online.

It's rumors like this that gets the hopes up for Joe Average Tribe fan, and when it doesn't happen, the Dolan's and Shapiro get a lot of unfair heat for it. IMO anyway.

Hoynes may be dead on with the Alomar note, or he may not be. I am not a "trained" reporter/writer in the art of BSing, but I have to say (and not naming names) it is amazing how much BS is floated in the papers just to stir a hornets nest or to take one simple comment and twist it into a fact or rumor in order to sell papers or get people to read their site. Anyone ever stop to think about why 75%+ of the hot stove rumors are complete BS? We feed off that stuff and they know it!;-)

Yep....it's why the winter meetings are almost a cool as the July trade deadline! =P

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