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Monday, July 25, 2011

2011 Trade Deadline: Target Edition

B.J. Upton (Photo: AP)
So it's been a lot more an interesting season for the Indians than just about any fan would have expected so far. The problem is they went from having a huge lead to being two games out of first now. This means a team everyone thought would be a seller, is looking to buy.

The question is how much can they spend and is it worth it to acquire a big name. So I am going to break down a few names and go over cost, impact, etc.

Let's start out big and then go down:

Carlos Beltran, OF, Mets

Pros: Switch hitting outfielder who does a lot of his damage from the right side, has a positive post season history, and the Mets are willing to eat salary.
Cons: Injury history, is a free agent to be, Mets want a lot.
Percent chance: 0%

Commentary: Back in May I was the first person I saw to bring up Beltran, so I would love to get him because it would make me look smart. In all seriousness, there are many issues with him though. One, he cannot be offered arbitration thanks to the wording Boras put in his contract, so this means no draft pick compensation if he leaves. Second, he has a no trade clause, and I am not sure he will waive it for Cleveland. He is heading into his last free agent splash, the Mets will definitely trade him, and he seems to want to go to big name contenders. Third, the Mets are asking for top shelf prospects. They are asking for guys who are in the top 50 in all of baseball. The Indians have a few guys who fit that mold such as Pomeranz, Chisenhall, and Kipnis. Beltran is not happening, so Tribe fans it is time to move on to other targets.

Hunter Pence, OF, Astros

Pros: Under contract for 2 more years, young, right handed.
Cons: Heavy cost in specs, in the midst of a near career year, will be up for a big raise in arbitration
Percent chance: 0%

Commentary: Pence is having the second best year of his career. The thing with Pence is he is a good player, but he is nowhere near a great player. He doesn't walk as he typically hits about .280 with a .330 OBP and 25 homers. He is a good, consistent player, but the high average this year along with going to an All Star game means he could get $10-12 million in arbitration. Until this year he was Choo without the walks or steals, and every team in baseball would have taken Choo over him. Is he worth the salary he will get and the cost in prospects to get him? People who think Houston will settle for a lesser package are dead wrong. The Indians have an incredibly deep minor league system, but in terms of centerpiece trade assets they only have four to five guys. Cord Phelps is not getting you Pence. A deal would start with one of the three big names and then include two other top 20 prospects. The front office is not going to trade the future for a good player, and that's why Pence will not be an Indian.

BJ Upton, OF, Rays

Pros: locked up though next year, young, righty, athlete
Cons: strikes out a lot, low and declining average, not much pop
Percent chance: 45%

Commentary: Tampa is a team that we have traded with in the past and are very familiar with. Upton has the advantage that he would not be a rental and would be back for 2012 as well. He had one great year, one good year and has been okay since then. He can steal some bases but is not the most efficient basestealer, has 12-16 HR pop, will take some walks but it is not enough to make up for his low average. In the last three years he has hit .241 or worse with an OBP of about .315. He will be good for 30 doubles, but all in all is a guy who has never quite lived up to his tools. In spite of feeling like he has been around forever he is only 26 years old so should just be hitting his prime now, and he has hit better on the road, so getting him out of Tampa Bay might do wonders for him. He is an interesting player just in terms of youth, pedigree, and ability. For a player like Upton it comes down to price, and Tampa Bay needs to make room for former Indians draftee Desmond Jennings. I don't think the cost to acquire him would be super high.  A guy like Lou Marson might make a real attractive piece along with Raffy Perez for a team that needs to shore up weak spots while trying to win the wild card.

Hiroki Kuroda, SP, Dodgers

Pros: Top starting pitcher available, consistent player, if lost to free agency would get compensation picks.
Cons: Has a no trade clause
Percent chance: 0%

Commentary: Kuroda has been linked to the Tribe, and has been a very steady pitcher in the NL. For a smart team that does not have to give up too much you would also end up with draft picks back. If the Indians could trade from depth to get Kuroda they would then be able to turn around and be assured two picks if he left in the offseason. For a team like the Dodgers it is great to get prospects because they won't offer him arbitration and they would save some money, which is pretty huge for them right now. The issue is a full no trade clause, and little desire to come to Cleveland. Besides, if he does just stay with the Dodgers then he could avoid arbitration which is always a bonus for a player when it comes to free agency.

Josh Willingham, OF, Athletics

Pros: Right-handed bat, been on a tear recently, and has a good history.
Cons: Is coming off injury.
Percent chance: 40 %

Commentary: Willingham has been a consistent bat in baseball for the last six years. If you look at his numbers he has been a bit underrated as he might only hit .260 but he can take a walk and has a career OBP of .362. He has average power as a 18-22 HR guy. He plays power positions as a corner outfielder and first baseman, so this is why he has bounced around a bit. The thing is in three stops he has hit and played well. He really by this point has deserved to nail down an everyday gig and might get that in free agency next year. He is considered one the Indians main targets and for good reason as he is a solid right handed bat. He is something this organization lacks and he should not cost a king's ransom to acquire. I would not be shocked to see a deal that could be headlined by a reliever as Oakland is trading most of theirs. The only roadblock I see is deals might be slow until the bigger dominoes fall.  Once a Beltran is out of the way all the teams chasing outfielders such as the Tigers, Giants, Braves, Pirates, Phillies, Red Sox and Rangers will be more interested. The other road block is Oakland is shopping everyone including fellow outfielders David Dejesus and Coco Crisp, which means a lot of deals are being worked on at once.

Kosuke Fukudome, OF, Cubs

Pros: Good defender and an excellent eye at the plate.
Cons: Owed $5 million still, no draft pick compensation, another left-handed bat.
Percent chance: 35%

Commentary: The Indians do have a trading history in the past with the Cubs, and Fukudome might not be the power bat that most fans want but he would be a big help. If he joined the Indians he would have the best OBP on the entire team by 21 points.  He does not have HR pop but does have solid doubles power. He would fit ideally into the two-ole and be a guy the Indians can count on to get on base. His contract is structured like Beltran so he cannot be offered arbitration, so unless the Indians could resign him he is strictly a rental. If this team is going to start scoring runs it needs people who get on base and Fukudome can do this better than anyone on this list not named Beltran.

Ryan Ludwick, OF, Padres

Pros: Right handed bat, knows the stadium.
Cons: One good year, in the midst of a horrible year, hits righties better than lefties.
Percent chance: 70%

Commentary: The Indians know Ludwick and have a long trade history with San Diego as the front offices do about a trade every other year. He will not cost a lot to acquire in a deal, but I have to be honest I would much rather than Willingham or Fukudome. Ludwick had one fantastic year where his OPS was 150 points higher than any other year, and his HR total that year was only two worse than his next two best years combined. He has posted two good years and one great year. He doesn't walk, he strikes out a lot, and for his career hits righties better than lefties. Even if you think it's an issue of ballpark his road OPS is still .700.  A .725 OPS is considered average, but his .700 OPS would still be an improvement for the Indians so there is logic in adding him. He has been in decline stat wise over the last three years, so I am not sure if he would get the Indians compensation picks or not. At the end of the day Ludwick will be the cheapest bat to acquire in terms of prospects and cash.  Add in the history between the Indians and Padres and a deal seems very likely. I would expect the price to be along the lines of what the Indians got last year in trades for Kearns and Westbrook.

I also want to throw out two names I have been tracking that no one else has mentioned. I like to think a bit of outside the box, so I looked for guys who are young, right handed and blocked.

The first guy is Chris Heisey of the Reds. The past two years he has put up solid numbers in a limited role, but the Reds are also looking into outfielders so are not sold on him. In spite of his youth he could be acquired. The Reds biggest need matches up with the Indians biggest strength which is pitching, so I am sure a deal could work.

The player I really like though is Allen Craig of St. Louis. He is coming off a knee injury, but has hit with power on every level. The issue for him is that he blocked in St. Louis, plus La Russa does not like to play young players. Craig would be the 5th or 6th best prospect in a system which is incredibly deep if he still qualified. The depth on the major league roster is also high, so Craig should be a tradeable asset. The Cardinals need relievers in the worst way as they have managed to contend in spite of leading the majors in blown saves at 17. They cut their closer this year, and there best young arm just got hurt. St. Louis would be a natural match for the Indians to turn some of their many arms into a bat, and in this case one that is right handed with good power.

I know there are other names on the market, but these are the ones I have seen the most discussion on or actually seen linked to the Indians. As a fan I do hope they make a deal, but I would rather they do not over pay. While the C.C. Sabathia trade was great for Milwaukee, they are a team that has sold off its farm in big deals and all it has to show for it is one post season and one win in that year. So hopefully the front office can find the right deal that makes sense without costing the players who will be the heart of this team very soon.

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5 comments:

Tony, I really enjoyed this article... a few comments/questions for you though:

1. I certainly think the Rays will want (and get) a package of more than just Marson and Raffy Perez... basically whichever teams lose out on Beltran will go for Upton as the next best available OF (since Pence is reportedly no longer available) and they will get a lot for Upton just based on his talent and upside alone. Yes, he's hitting .230, but Upton also has 15 HR and 23 SB and unlike most of the other OFs available, he's a good defender as well... he's a huge talent and I don't think the Tribe has the necessary prospects/players (that they're willing to trade) to get him.

2. If the Tribe is going to make a deal, I'd think it would be with a team that needs relief help because the Tribe has that in spades (especially in the minors)... the only guy I wouldn't trade to get a guy of Upton's talent is Pestano (this includes Chris Perez). I'd much rather trade Tony Sipp than Raffy Perez, though, as Perez is one of the best and most consistent lefties in the majors.. Sipp looks like he's due for some regression, and has been slipping a bit recently.. I wouldn't trust him as our main lefty specialist in the pen.

3. With both Choo AND Grady out, we need a RF much more than a LF/CF because I'm fine with Carrera and Brantley in LF/CF.. what I'm NOT fine with is Kearns and Buck in RF. I don't understand how Francoeur is not our top target other than the fact that the Royals' GM Dayton Moore LOVES Frenchy... I mean, he's perfect for our needs - he has a cannon for an arm in RF, he MURDERS lefties, and he (theoretically) shouldn't cost much to obtain. KC clearly doesn't have a problem trading in-division as they just traded Betemit to the Tigers, so I'm guessing Moore just views Frenchy as a long-term solution in RF there...

4. Allen Craig isn't blocked in St. Louis.. they're playing him at 2B in the minors during his rehab so that when he comes back he'll likely be the starter there over struggling Skip Schumaker (who really doesn't do anything well)... so I doubt he's available.

5. I disagree with your assessment of Pence. While he's not a mega-star in the Albert Pujols mold, he's certainly an All-Star and he'd be my ideal trade target if A. we didn't have Choo and B. we could get him without giving up Kipnis, Chiz, White, or Pomeranz... but that's just not realistic. Pence is a young 5-tool stud who would solve our RF problem until Choo comes back, then be another all-star OF in LF when Choo is back. Pence has hit 25 HRs 3 years in a row, and is a .280+ batting AVG guy who will also steal double-digit bases... I'd LOVE to get him.

6. Chris Heisey - he is the first guy I would target as a GM.. this guy has lots of power and is still young with upside.. I have no idea why the Reds don't play him more. If you could get him for a small price, he'd make for the perfect acquisition. I'm not sure how good his arm is, but he's played LF, CF, and RF for the Reds this season.. possibly showcasing him for other teams. This would be a huge pick-up for the Tribe and someone I'd much prefer to butchers Ludwick (who I don't want at all) and Willingham (constantly injured).. and Heisey would likely become a part of this team's long-term future.

7. I see no mention of Aaron Harang here. I think he's probably the most likely guy to come to Cleveland... I agree that Ludwick (yuck!) seems likely as well, so I'd bet on a multi-player deal involving both Ludwick and Harang, though we need to be careful not to overpay because while Harang has been solid this season, that's in the NL.. in PetCo park, where his fly ball tendencies are less impactful. In the AL he's a borderline 4th starter I'd say. I'd MUCH prefer Kuroda, but I just don't see that happening...

Sorry this was so long... hopefully the Tribe picks up some key pieces and makes a serious run this season and in future seasons. I'm hoping for some of: Kuroda (Harang is an ok alternative), Upton, Heisey, or Francoeur... GO TRIBE!!

Pence is having a career year for batting average, which all comes from his unsustainable BABIP. His OBP this year looks like it might be sustainable since he's posted similar OBP's three times before (.360 2007, .346 2009, .355 2011), but his 2007 OBP was also BABIP inflated and his 2009 OBP was due to a career high BB rate of 9%. This is worrisome because he's posting a career low ISO (.163) and career high K% (20.1%).

Sure, he a good RF, but if we pick up Sizemore's option in 2012, where would we play him? Brantley would be in LF, Sizemore in CF, Choo in RF, Pence ??. Lets also not forget that he'd cost a king's ransom to acquire with all of these questions swirling around him. It's possible that he puts it all together in 2012, but what is that really worth?

Craig or Heisey might be better options if you can get StL and Cincy to part with them. Donald and a top shelf reliever (Judy? Sipp?) could probably net Craig, but I'm a little hesitant on PCL hitters as it's such a hitter friendly league. So I take his 2009 and 2010 numbers with a grain of salt.

Not sure how Heisey is valued by the Reds though, could make a sneaky trade target though.

Dave, I will let Jellis comment as he wrote the piece.....but to respond to some of the things you say I am right there with you on Francoeur. He was a guy I targetted back in May as a good RH option even as a platoon guy. He is not an impact guy and has struggled since early May, but he is better than Kearns/Buck and would be an upgrade defensively. He is one of my top targets not because he is good (he is a marginal player), but because he wouldn't cost a lot to take a chance on.

I am not sold on Pence. I think he is a good player.....but I think a lot of his value is overhyped. Nowhere close to an elite guy....but certainly an above average guy. Would definitely help us, but at the inflated cost it would take to acquire him, no thanks.

I am somewhat interested in Upton. I dont think he would cost as much as some people think given his streaky performance and him nearing FA in a year and getting expensive, but I think if the Indians acquire him then it all but becomes a certainty that Grady's option is not getting picked up next year.

I like Grady, I really do... but he CANNOT stay healthy.. he hasn't been healthy and productive since 2008. It might be time to realize he's not a part of this team's long-term plans... I realize he's only 28 years old, but how bright does his future look with all these knee problems and surgeries he's having? He hasn't even stolen a base this year... and an $8 million option (I think) is a lot of money for a small/mid market team to spend on a player with a questionable future... so ya, if we got Pence I'd put him in LF and move Brantley to CF when Choo came back.. but this is all irrelevant since we won't trade for Pence - I'm just saying I'd much prefer him to Sizemore. Even if we kept Sizemore, we'd have plenty of space for Pence because how often are Grady and Hafner both going to be healthy? And who knows how much longer Choo remains an Indian... maybe being competitive this year and his having a down year will keep him from going to a team like the Yankees as he said he wanted to do earlier, but who knows... I don't know if we'll be able to re-sign him, and we don't have any legitimate OF prospects other than maybe Carrera and Weglarz (who is having a bad year). I'd be absolutely shocked if we could get Craig for Donald and Judy... I'd have to think we'd do that in a second if it were on the table... same with a comparable package for Upton.. I really think he's gonna net the Rays a top prospect or so along the lines of what Beltran goes for... I mean, Beltran is only a rental, where Upton is signed through next season as well.. also, Beltran is a constant injury-risk... the only reason he'll go for more than Upton is because Beltran helps more in the short-term.

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